Friday, December 31, 2010

Info on this Group is here, but for the present it is not being updated

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Thursday, December 30, 2010

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Tuesday, December 7, 2010

Poor Lesson 12/09/2010

Poor
On 12/6/2010 5:15 PM, Dowen63230@aol.com wrote:
In addition to Jim's message, please be prepared to discuss:
  1. What is "poor”:   Several ways to look at it - can be poor in many ways and looked at in many ways.
    1. Usually it is relative, i.e. as compared to some thing/one else. .
    2. Definitions of poor on the Web:
                                                               i.      hapless: deserving or inciting pity; "a hapless victim"; "miserable victims of war"; "the shabby room struck her as extraordinarily pathetic"- Galsworthy; "piteous appeals for help"; "pitiable homeless children"; "a pitiful fate"; "Oh, you poor thing"; "his poor distorted limbs"; "a wretched life"
                                                              ii.      having little money or few possessions; "deplored the gap between rich and poor countries"; "the proverbial poor artist living in a garret"
                                                            iii.      characterized by or indicating poverty; "the country had a poor economy"; "they lived in the poor section of town"
                                                            iv.      lacking in specific resources, qualities or substances; "a poor land"; "the area was poor in timber and coal"; "food poor in nutritive value"
                                                              v.      inadequate: not sufficient to meet a need; "an inadequate income"; "a poor salary"; "money is short"; "on short rations"; "food is in short supply"; "short on experience"
                                                            vi.      poor people: people without possessions or wealth (considered as a group); "the urban poor need assistance"
                                                           vii.      unsatisfactory; "a poor light for reading"; "poor morale"; "expectations were poor" 
                                                         viii.      Who are the poor, People in above listing. All sizes, ages, sex, race, nationality - even some folks rich in one way, but poor in another
    1. I add
                                                               i.      it is sometimes in the mind
                                                              ii.      It is relative
1.        But from a $ financial standpoint, is not having enough resources to live at a desirable lifestyle.
  1. Is being poor a disease. In a way, yes, as being poor in money or sense or morality can lead to it passing on to descendants, just as Genes can be passed on.  And of course, poor in spirit also!
  2. Have you known someone poor???? Of course
  3. Have you helped the poor   ??? Of course
  4. Have you ever realized when it was too late that you should have helped someone who was poor???Of course
  5. Who or what should support the poor: all of us. .
  6. When should the poor not be helped? We all need help, no matter what.
  7. And other questions which I shall thrust unexpectedly upon you. So be prepared. 
    1. Whose fault is it if I am poor
    2. Should we always help the poor or the beggar
    3. Should the poor have to work if unable?
    4. Does unemployment insurance lead to lack of incentive and ultimately to being poor
    5. Is it the Government’s problem , or churches, or friends
    6. Is it up to parent to help their poor children
  1. Other:
    1.   Poor is an adjective related to a state of poverty, low quality or pity.
    2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor The Poor (formerly The Poor Boys) are an Australian hard rock band that formed in the mid-1980s in Darwin, Northern Territory. They released a debut album titled Who Cares on March 15, 1994 on the Sony label. Who cares debuted at #4 on the Australian albums chart. ...
    3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Poor
       with little or no possessions or money; to be pitied; of low quality; of inadequate amount; Deficient in a specified way; those people as a group who have little or no possessions or money. (see usage notes)
      en.wiktionary.org/wiki/poor
    4. And:
                                                                i.      poorness - poverty: the state of having little or no money and few or no material possessions
                                                               ii.      poorness - less than adequate; "the relative poorness of New England farmland"
                                                              iii.      poorness - meagerness: the quality of being meager; "an exiguity of cloth that would only allow of miniature capes"-George Eliot
                                                             iv.      poorness - the quality of being poorly made or maintained; "she was unrecognizable because of the poorness of the photography"

    1. wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Poorness - Poverty refers to the condition of not having the means to afford basic human needs such as clean water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter. This is also referred to as absolute poverty or destitution. ...
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poorness

Wednesday, December 1, 2010

A Little Lunch Music



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Friday, October 8, 2010

Helping Hands of Ownbey - US Troops connected with MPUMC

Hi Ownbey Folks

On behalf of the Helping Hands Committee, Tom asked me to offer for your approval a request for $300.00 to help the Men's Thursday Noon Bible Group fund purchases of Care Packages for US Troops with a MPUMC connection. At present we have four such individuals. Recently the Bible Group took on as a project communicating with our Military connections from Mpumc. One large cost of each package is anticipated to be telephone credit cards. A picture of the request form is below. Tell me if you do not see it and I will figure out what is wrong.

We have about $1,400 in our Helping Hands account if my memory is working (Mary Katerine Vass please correct me Sunday if I am off too much).  Remember  you can contribute to the Fund to honor or as a memorial to individuals. Several members has used this honor/memorial technique this year, and we encourage you to remember the Helping Hand Fund in your giving decisions. - and in requests for use of the finds. One source of funds has been the $50 members won for simply visiting our Class Blog and emailing  me you were there and that you wanted the money given to  Helping Hands. The offer has been up again for a couple of months with no takers. Sure is easy money.

Jim Hatfield is the leader of the Bible Group which consists of about 14 members with 8 from Ownbey. We are always looking for new members, so join us please. We meet in Jubilee Hall usually and eat leftovers from Thursday nights for a couple of bucks, what a deal!

The members of the Helping Hand Committee are: (tell me if I missed any names)
Tom Stinson (Chair), Ellen Chason,  Cal Chesson, Don Hammer, Don Redding, the President and the Treasurer (ex – officio)

Tom is out of town this weekend and he asked me to present this  to you Sunday for approval. Let us know if you have any questions or concerns about this request. It has been approved by the Committee and needs your final approval.

thanks  don


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Monday, August 30, 2010

Faith - What is the definition

What is the definition of faith?

The dictionary definition of faith is, “the theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.” For a Christian, this definition is not just words on a page it is a way of life. Faith is acceptance of what we cannot see but feel deep within our hearts. Faith is a belief that one-day we will stand before our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. 


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The Fear of God – The Real Meaning

The Fear of God – The Real Meaning
In these “Fear of God” scriptures, the word “fear” is derived from Hebrew words such as yir’ah (Proverbs 1:7; 9:10; Psalm 2:11; 19:9; 34:11), yare’ (Psalm 33:8; 86:11; Jeremiah 5:22; Ecclesiastes 12:13) and pachad (Job 23:15), which actually mean “fear,” “terror,” or “dread.” Although many Christian teachers will downplay the “fear of God” and use replacement words such as “respect,” “reverence,” or “honor,” the Hebrew language is pretty clear. In addition, there are other Hebrew words that portray softer meanings, such as kabad (Exodus 20:12 – “Honor your father and your mother…” Proverbs 3:9 – “Honor the LORD with your wealth…”) 


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Saturday, August 28, 2010

Leighton Ford on a Christian Approach to Muslims

Found this on our Ben Witherinton's Blog

Leighton Ford on a Christian Approach to Muslims

Saturday August 28, 2010

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Leighton Ford is an old Charlotte friend of mine, and was formerly Billy Graham's right hand man in the Billy Graham Association.  I find what he says in this post both sensible, sane, and well worth reflection.  BW3
Jesus and the Mosque
On a shelf at home I have a copy of Pilgrims of Christ on the Muslim Road, the story of the Syrian-born writer Mazhar Mallouhi. As a young man who grew up in a Muslim family he had a profound spiritual hunger, read widely, learned of Jesus in the Bible, and became a follower of Christ while remaining loyal to his Muslim culture.
His novels are read by millions in the Middle East. Through them he has sought to bridge misunderstandings between Muslims and Christians.
In the book is a photo of him in the famous Al Azhar Mosque in Cairo, sitting with a group of Muslims as they read the Gospels together. It is his custom to say, "I am a follower of Christ. Here is what Jesus said. Tell me honestly, do you think I am living as Jesus said I should?"
I thought of Mallouhi's question during the heated dispute over the location of a Muslim mosque and community center near Ground Zero in New York. Among the voices being raised - some harsh with anger, some deep with indignation about "rights"- I wonder if the missing voice is that of Jesus?
If I were a Muslim I might want to claim rights, but also want my leaders to consider whether another location would work and help to heal some deep hurts. But I am not a Muslim. Those issues are for the Muslim community to decide.
What I need to ask is: what does Jesus say to us who say we follow him?
Suppose we, like Mallouhi, sat down with some Muslims in the new community center, and read with them some of the words of Jesus, words like "Do good to those who hate you." That could apply to radical terrorists who want to blow us up. So how can it not apply to Muslim neighbors who are living among us?
Many years ago my late friend J. Christy Wilson was pastor of the first ever Christian church in Kabul, Afghanistan. Through the good offices of President Eisenhower permission was granted to build the church, attended by Christian expatriates.
The time came when the Afghan authorities revoked permission and announced they would knock the church down. When the bulldozers arrived what did the Christ followers there do? They served tea to the workers who were destroying their church building!
They were living out a central tenet of our Christian faith - that we are "saved by grace" -God's grace freely given in Jesus Christ - and they showed grace.
How can we do that?  I hope the churches and the Christ followers in New York can figure it out. Perhaps delivering a cool drink to the workers who will build the center? After all Paul went so far as to write (and this was about enemies, not neighbors) "If they are thirsty, give them something to drink."
Does this mean we naively accept real evil? Not at all. I understand the rage that 9/11 stirred. Force is often needed to protect the innocent. But ultimately I have to follow Jesus and his follower Paul in the baffling reality of Paul's admonition to "Overcome evil with good."
What does the love of Christ compel me to do? Perhaps whether in New York or Charlotte to extend a little more grace - actually a whole lot more. Wouldn't that be the best witness we could make?
Leighton Ford


Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/bibleandculture/2010/08/leighton-ford-on-a-christian-approach-to-muslims.html#ixzz0xwie9CtO

Travelers Gift, Andy Andrews, Lincoln on Forgiveness (2)

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Good lesson Thursday, thanks Bob L for a good month.
We had a good laugh Thursday. Not sure you guys were laughing with me or what when I said the author of the great little book, the Travelers Gift, made a killing from it. In any event, here is part of his promotion:

  • Hailed by a New York Times writer as a "modern-day Will Rogers who has quietly become one of the most influential people in America."
  • Spoken at the request of four different U.S. Presidents
  • Every single minute a book by Andy Andrews is
    sold somewhere in the world!
  • New York Times Bestselling Author of
    The Noticer and The Traveler's Gift
What I said does not take away from my regard for the book. Some of you missed the handout I had when  I discussed the book during Pot luck in June. Here is a link to what I said.
http://noonbiblestudy.blogspot.com/2010/08/travelers-gift.html
As you may know, the author Andy Andrews, has imaginary talks with several  famous historical persons. My favorite was Lincoln and I included in my notes what Lincoln might have said about forgiveness. I encourage you to read the book and I would be glad to share my copy
don
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Thursday, August 26, 2010

All:
See below.  Sorry for late notice.
jim h
----- Original Message -----
From: Vanessa
To: Jim
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Room change for tomorrow
Hello Mr. Hatfield,
I hope all is well!  I am writing to inform you that due to an early set up for a large event on Friday, Jubilee Hall will not be available for your lunch tomorrow—Thursday the 26th.  I’ve moved you into room 105.  Hope that helps and I apologize for any inconvenience!
Thank you,
Vanessa

Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Bible Study Blog Instuctions #1 (Video - 30 seconds)

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Thursday, August 19, 2010

Tolstoy

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September Sessions Alternatives

As for leaders next month, I think we came up with some good alternatives. You do not need to feel like you have to do it (unless if you kinda want to that would be great).

To list (to help me remember): (In order of my preference)

  1. Take a break. The more I think about it, the more I like it. I bet many of us go to a lot of extra effort to try not to miss and it could be refreshing to go away a while and then come back. I usually worry about momentum but I do not think that would  be an issue. We have been doing this for 10 years or more.
  2. Instead of September classes, have the group and wives/etc meet for dinner one  night of  September.  If it works maybe could do on an irregular basis. I want to think on that and let it cook whether we even want to bring it up. Charlotte Cafe or fancier?  would Shebra do a meal for us at church?  Other low price alternatives?
  3. Fly Mary Lou in !
  4. Pot Luck
  5. Ask several of our members who have not led to do it
  6. Do your/some videos - Many in the class were for that at one time as some had missed and wanted to view
  7. Get a minister to talk to us
  8. Get an outside speaker
  9. Ask if anyone wants double duty for month
  10. Ask if any want double duty for a week
  11. Alternative leaders  - draw out of a hat
  12. Tours
    1. Take a tour of the Library and learn how to use it
    2. Tour church, we never got Dulen (sp) to do it as we could not match with his of work time
  13. Could we do some church project then
Maybe when we bring  September up we begin talking about the Leader format for next year and see what people think. I believe the format this year has been good for us and especially for those that lead as they  practiced more preparation and leadership of a wild group. Also maybe we need to discuss the ground rules so we are on the same boat. For example, I thought we tried to have our food and seated by 12, and I think you felt we should have the food eaten by 12. Also, I think it is common courtesy for a leader  to  arrange replacements when that leader plans to miss. Be good to mention reimbursing the Church for the Upper Rooms. If people are to miss should they tell any one before hand. If they are ill?  If someone needs a ride what can we do. Should we recognize birthdays etc. Should we get a stationery card for communications from the group. I am rambling and that is overkill but I would like us all to agree at least on the 12 o'clock food timing. Also, should we stick to the 1 p.m. ending  time.

Monday, August 16, 2010

Hey Ya’ll,



It is that time of year again. I am going to take a week of vacation and maintenance is scheduled to clean the kitchen floor. This means that you may not enter the kitchen for ANY reason from Monday, Aug. 16 thru Friday, Aug. 20. Maintenance gets this one week to work on the floor so please honor their time and hard work by not entering the kitchen during this time. If you need anything from the kitchen for any reason, please get it before noon on Friday, Aug. 13. If you have a group that has any needs from the kitchen during that week, hopefully I have contacted you and you are aware that you will need to provide your meals, etc. If not, I apologize.



Thanks

Shebra

Thursday, August 12, 2010

One Hour Video of 2010.08.12 class.

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Thursday, August 5, 2010

2010.08.05 Visitors: Tim and John-Paul

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Friday, July 30, 2010

The Kingdom of God is Within You (1893) Or Christianity Not as a Mystical Teaching but as a New Concept of Life Count Leo Tolstoy (September 9 1828 – November 20 1910)

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Matthew 5:35-44  Matthew 5:35-44
Amplified Bible (AMP)35Or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
    36And do not swear by your head, for you are not able to make a single hair white or black.
    37Let your Yes be simply Yes, and your No be simply No; anything more than that comes from the evil one.

  38You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
    39But I say to you, Do not resist the evil man [who injures you]; but if anyone strikes you on the right jaw or cheek, turn to him the other one too.
    40And if anyone wants to sue you and take your undershirt (tunic), let him have your coat also.
    41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two [miles].
  42Give to him who keeps on begging from you, and do not turn away from him who would borrow [at interest] from you.
    43You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy;
    44But I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
   
Footnotes:
Cross references:

King James Version (KJV) 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

 38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.


 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

New Living Translation (NLT)35 And do not say, ‘By the earth!’ because the earth is his footstool. And do not say, ‘By Jerusalem!’ for Jerusalem is the city of the great King.
36 Do not even say, ‘By my head!’ for you can’t turn one hair white or black.
 
 37 Just say a simple, ‘Yes, I will,’ or ‘No, I won’t.’ Anything beyond this is from the evil one.
Teaching about Revenge
 38 “You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
39 But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also.
40 If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too.
41
If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.
42 Give to those who ask, and don’t turn away from those who want to borrow.
Teaching about Love for Enemies
 43 “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy.
44 But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!
Footnotes:

New International Version (NIV)
35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.  
37Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
An Eye for an Eye
 38"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'

39
But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

40
And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.

41
If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
 
42
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
 43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Footnotes:

Today's New International Version (TNIV)
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.

37 All you need to say is simply 'Yes,' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
   Eye for Eye
 38 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'

39
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

40
And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

41
If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.

42
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Love for Enemies
 43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Footnotes:

Updated by don 2020.07.30
Count Leo Tolstoy (
September 9 1828 – November 20 1910)
The Kingdom of God is Within You (1893)
Or Christianity Not as a Mystical Teaching but as a New Concept of Life
“He (Tolstov) is considered one of the greatest novelists in any language in all human history, But Leo Tolstoy was also an influencial social reformer and peace advocate . .this (is a) powerful exploration of the preachings of Jesus from a pacifist perspective. . .  introduced such imporatant 20th century figures as Gandhi and Martin Luther King to the concept of nonviolent resistance .” from book back cover.
1.       . . .It is shown by the words Jesus uttered at the same time (of the Beatitudes). He said: "Ye have heard, it was said of old, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you Resist not evil. But if one smites thee on the right cheek, turn him the other also; and if one will go to law with thee to take thy coat from thee, give him thy cloak also."
2.      PREFACE.
 . . . .I could not help explaining why I do not believe, and consider as mistaken, the Church's doctrine, which is usually called Christianity. Among the many points in which this doctrine falls short of the doctrine of Christ I pointed out as the principal one the absence of any commandment of non-resistance to evil by force.
The perversion of Christ's teaching by the teaching of the Church is more clearly apparent in this than in any other point of difference.  . . . . . . book was suppressed by the Russian censorship; .. will speak of  information I received on  non-resistance to evil;  the views of this question maintained by spiritual critics in the Christian religion and also by temporal ones . .  who do not profess the Christian religion; and of the conclusions I have
L. TOLSTOI.   YASNAÏA POLIANA, May 14/26, 1893.
3.      readers of . . .William Lloyd Garrison, the famous champion of the emancipation of the negroes, found similar ideas in my (Tolstov’s)  and  sent Tolstoy a Declaration or Proclamation of "non- resistance" drawn up by his Garrison . around 1838
4.      . . . . William Lloyd Garrison  . . .
a.       "DECLARATION OF SENTIMENTS ADOPTED BY PEACE CONVENTION. "Boston, 1838.
·        "We do not acknowledge allegiance to any human government.  . . . The interests and rights of American citizens are not dearer to us than those of the whole human race.  . .
·        " dogma that all the governments of the world are approvingly ordained of God, and that the powers that be in the United States, in Russia, in Turkey, are in accordance with his will, is no less absurd than impious.  . . .It cannot be affirmed that the powers that be in any nation are actuated by the spirit or guided by the example of Christ in the treatment of enemies; therefore they cannot be agreeable to the will of God,
·        "We regard as unchristian and unlawful not only all wars, whether offensive or defensive, but all preparations for war;
·         "Hence we deem it unlawful to bear arms, and we cannot hold any office which imposes on its incumbent the obligation to compel men to do right on pain of imprisonment or death.
·        we cordially adopt the non-resistance principle,
5.      the American Adin Ballou spent fifty years  preaching this doctrine.
a.      "Jesus Christ forbids me to resist evil doers, and to take from them an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, bloodshed for bloodshed, and life for life.
b.      "My government demands from me quite the opposite,
c.       "In the maintenance and use of these expensive appliances for murder, we can very suitably exercise to the full the virtues of forgiveness to those who injure us, love toward our enemies, blessings
d.      "For this we have a succession of Christian priests to pray for us and beseech the blessing of Heaven on the holy work of slaughter.
e.       In "How many Men are Necessary to Change a Crime into a Virtue?" he says:
·        "One man may not kill. If he kills a fellow-creature, he is a murderer. If two, ten, a hundred men do so, they, too, are murderers.  . . . .But a government  . . .may kill as many men as it chooses, and that will not be murder, but a great and noble action . . ..
·        But precisely how many people must there be to make it so?--  . . . .
·        Why is it that one man, ten, a hundred, may not break the law of God, but a great number may?" . . . .
6.      And here is a version of Ballou's catechism composed for his flock:
CATECHISM OF NON-RESISTANCE.
1.      Q. Whence is the word "non-resistance" derived? A. From the command, "Resist not evil." (M. v. 39.)
2.      Q. What does this word express?
A. It expresses a lofty Christian virtue enjoined on us by Christ.
3.      Q. Ought  "non-resistance" to be taken in its widest sense- we should not offer any resistance of any kind to evil?
A. No; it ought to be taken in the exact sense of our Saviour's teaching--that is, not repaying evil for evil. We ought to oppose evil by every righteous means in our power, but not by evil.
4.      Q. What is there to show that Christ enjoined non-resistance in that sense?
A.  by the words he uttered at the same time. He said: "Ye have heard, it was said of old, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you Resist not evil. But if one smites thee on the right cheek, turn him the other also; and if one will go to law with thee to take thy coat from thee, give him thy cloak also."
5.      Q. Of whom was he speaking in the words, "Ye have heard it was said of old"? A. Of the patriarchs and the prophets, contained in the Old Testament, Hebrews  call the Law and the Prophets.
6.      Q. What utterances did Christ refer to in the words, "It was said of old"?
A. The utterances of Noah, Moses, and the other prophets, in which they admit the right of doing bodily harm to those who inflict harm, so as to punish and prevent evil deeds.
7.      Q. Quote such utterances.
A. "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed."--
GEN. ix. 6.
A."He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death...And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for  see notes for more . .
8.      Q. Then the ancients allowed the resistance of injury by injury? A. Yes. But Jesus forbids it.  . .
9.      Q. May he kill or maim him in self-defense?A. No.
10.  Q. May he go with a complaint to the judge that he who has wronged him may be punished?A.No.  . .
11.  Q. Can he fight in conflict with foreign enemies or disturbers of the peace? A. Certainly not.  . . . .
12.  Q. Can he voluntarily vote or furnish soldiers for the government?
A. He can do nothing of that kind if he wishes to be faithful to Christ's law.
13.  Q. Can he voluntarily give money to aid a government resting on military force, capital punishment, and violence in general?A. No, unless the money is destined for some special object, right in itself, and good both in aim and means.
14.  Q. Can he pay taxes to such a government? A. No; he ought not voluntarily , but he ought not to resist the collecting of taxes.
15.  Q. Can a Christian give a vote at elections, or take part in government or law business? A.No;
16.  Q. Wherein lies the chief significance of the doctrine of non-resistance?  . .. . .
A.True non-resistance is the only real resistance to evil.
17.  Q. . . ., can it always put into practice?A. . .  A virtue cannot be practiced in all circumstances without self-sacrifice, privation, suffering, and in extreme cases loss of life itself. But he who esteems life more than fulfilling the will of God is already dead to the only true life. Trying to save his life he loses it.  . . .
18.  Q. But so long as only a few act thus, what will happen to them?
A. (long answer ending with) . . Peace, then, to all who seek peace, and may overruling love be the imperishable heritage of every soul who obeys willingly Christ's word, "Resist not evil."  
ADIN BALLOU.




Count Leo Tolstoy
The Kingdom of God is Within You
Or Christianity Not as a Mystical Teacxhing but as a New Concept of Life
“He (Tolstov) is considered one of the greatest novelists in any language in all human history, But Leo Tolstoy was also an influencial social reformer and peace advocate . .this (is a) powerful exploration of the preachings of Jesus from a pacifist perspective. . .  introduced such imporatant 20th century figures as Gandhi and Martin Luther King to the concept of nonviolent resistance .” from book back cover.
1.      It is shown by the words Jesus uttered at the same time (of the Beatitudes). He said: "Ye have heard, it was said of old, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you Resist not evil. But if one smites thee on the right cheek, turn him the other also; and if one will go to law with thee to take thy coat from thee, give him thy cloak also."
2.      …..PREFACE.
                                                               i.      In the year 1884 I wrote a book under the title "What I Believe," in which I did in fact make a sincere statement of my beliefs.
                                                             ii.      In affirming my belief in Christ's teaching, I could not help explaining why I do not believe, and consider as mistaken, the Church's doctrine, which is usually called Christianity. Among the many points in which this doctrine falls short of the doctrine of Christ I pointed out as the principal one the absence of any commandment of non-resistance to evil by force. The perversion of Christ's teaching by the teaching of the Church is more clearly apparent in this than in any other point of difference.  . . . . . .
                                                            iii.      As I had anticipated, my book was suppressed by the Russian censorship; but partly owing to my literary reputation, partly because the book had excited people's curiosity, it circulated in manuscript and in lithographed copies in Russia and through translations abroad, and it evolved, on one side, from those who shared my convictions, a series of essays with a great deal of information on the subject, on the other side a series of criticisms on the principles laid down in my book.
                                                           iv.      A great deal was made clear to me by both hostile and sympathetic criticism, and also by the historical events of late years; and I was led to fresh results and conclusions, which I wish now to expound.
                                                             v.      First I will speak of the information I received on the history of the question of non-resistance to evil; then of the views of this question maintained by spiritual critics, that is, by professed believers in the Christian religion, and also by temporal ones, that is, those who do not profess the Christian religion; and lastly I will speak of the conclusions to which I have been brought by all this in the light of the historical events of late years.
                                                           vi.      L. TOLSTOI.   YASNAÏA POLIANA, May 14/26, 1893.
3.      The son of William Lloyd Garrison, the famous champion of the emancipation of the negroes, wrote to me that he had read my book, in which he found ideas similar to those expressed by his father in the year 1838, and that, thinking it would be interesting to me to know this, he sent me a declaration or proclamation of "non- resistance" drawn up by his father nearly fifty years ago.
4.      . . . . William Lloyd Garrison took part in a 1838 discussion on the means of suppressing war in the Society for the Establishment of Peace among Men and concluded “the establishment of universal peace can only be founded on the open profession of the doctrine of non-resistance to evil by violence (Matt. v. 39), in its full significance, . . . composed and laid before the society a declaration, which was signed at the time--in 1838--by many members.
a.       "DECLARATION OF SENTIMENTS ADOPTED BY PEACE CONVENTION. "Boston, 1838. "We the undersigned,  . . . . to carry forward the work of peaceful universal reformation.
                                                              i.      "We do not acknowledge allegiance to any human government. We recognize but one King and Lawgiver, one Judge and Ruler of mankind. Our country is the world, our countrymen are all mankind. We love the land of our nativity only as we love all other lands. The interests and rights of American citizens are not dearer to us than those of the whole human race. Hence we can allow no appeal to patriotism to revenge any national insult or injury...
                                                            ii.      "The dogma that all the governments of the world are approvingly ordained of God, and that the powers that be in the United States, in Russia, in Turkey, are in accordance with his will, is no less absurd than impious. It makes the impartial Author of our existence unequal and tyrannical. It cannot be affirmed that the powers that be in any nation are actuated by the spirit or guided by the example of Christ in the treatment of enemies; therefore they cannot be agreeable to the will of God, and therefore their overthrow by a spiritual regeneration of their subjects is inevitable.
                                                          iii.      "We regard as unchristian and unlawful not only all wars, whether offensive or defensive, but all preparations for war; every naval ship, every arsenal, every fortification, we regard as unchristian and unlawful; the existence of any kind of standing army, all military chieftains, all monuments commemorative of victory over a fallen foe, all trophies won in battle, all celebrations in honor of military exploits, all appropriations for defense by arms; we regard as unchristian and unlawful every edict of government requiring of its subjects military service.
                                                          iv.      "Hence we deem it unlawful to bear arms, and we cannot hold any office which imposes on its incumbent the obligation to compel men to do right on pain of imprisonment or death.
                                                            v.      "Hence as a measure of sound policy--of safety to property, life, and liberty--of public quietude and private enjoyment--as well as on the ground of allegiance to Him who is King of kings and Lord of lords, we cordially adopt the non-resistance principle, being confident that it provides for all possible consequences, is armed with omnipotent power, and must ultimately triumph over every assailing force.

5.      the American Adin Ballou spending fifty years in preaching this doctrine.
a.      "Jesus Christ forbids me to resist evil doers, and to take from them an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, bloodshed for bloodshed, and life for life.
b.      "My government demands from me quite the opposite, and bases a system of self-defense on gallows, musket, and sword, to be used against its foreign and domestic foes. And the land is filled accordingly with gibbets, prisons, arsenals, ships of war, and soldiers.
c.       "In the maintenance and use of these expensive appliances for murder, we can very suitably exercise to the full the virtues of forgiveness to those who injure us, love toward our enemies, blessings to those who curse us, and doing good to those who hate us.
d.      "For this we have a succession of Christian priests to pray for us and beseech the blessing of Heaven on the holy work of slaughter.
e.       In another pamphlet, entitled "How many Men are Necessary to Change a Crime into a Virtue?" he says:
                                                               i.      "One man may not kill. If he kills a fellow-creature, he is a murderer. If two, ten, a hundred men do so, they, too, are murderers.
                                                             ii.      But a government or a nation may kill as many men as it chooses, and that will not be murder, but a great and noble action. Only gather the people together on a large scale, and a battle of ten thousand men becomes an innocent action.
                                                            iii.      But precisely how many people must there be to make it so?--that is the question. One man cannot plunder and pillage, but a whole nation can. But precisely how many are needed to make it permissible?
                                                          iv.      Why is it that one man, ten, a hundred, may not break the law of God, but a great number may?"
f.        And here is a version of Ballou's catechism composed for his flock:
                                                               i.      CATECHISM OF NON-RESISTANCE.
1.      Q. Whence is the word "non-resistance" derived?
A. From the command, "Resist not evil." (M. v. 39.)
2.      Q. What does this word express?
A. It expresses a lofty Christian virtue enjoined on us by Christ.
3.      Q. Ought the word "non-resistance" to be taken in its widest sense--that is to say, as intending that we should not offer any resistance of any kind to evil?
A. No; it ought to be taken in the exact sense of our Saviour's teaching--that is, not repaying evil for evil. We ought to oppose evil by every righteous means in our power, but not by evil.
4.      Q. What is there to show that Christ enjoined non-resistance in that sense?
A. It is shown by the words he uttered at the same time. He said: "Ye have heard, it was said of old, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you Resist not evil. But if one smites thee on the right cheek, turn him the other also; and if one will go to law with thee to take thy coat from thee, give him thy cloak also."
5.      Q. Of whom was he speaking in the words, "Ye have heard it was said of old"?
A. Of the patriarchs and the prophets, contained in the Old Testament, which the Hebrews ordinarily call the Law and the Prophets.
6.      Q. What utterances did Christ refer to in the words, "It was said of old"?
A. The utterances of Noah, Moses, and the other prophets, in which they admit the right of doing bodily harm to those who inflict harm, so as to punish and prevent evil deeds.
7.      Q. Quote such utterances.
A. "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed."--
GEN. ix. 6.
A."He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death...And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." --Ex. xxi. 12 and 23-25.
A."He that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbor, as he hath done, so shall it be done unto him: breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth."--LEV. xxiv. 17, 19, 20.
A."Then the judges shall make diligent inquisition; and behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother, then shall ye do unto him as he had thought to have done unto his brother...And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."--DEUT. xix. 18, 21.
A.Noah, Moses, and the Prophets taught that he who kills, maims, or injures his neighbors does evil. To resist such evil, and to prevent it, the evil doer must be punished with death, or maiming, or some physical injury. Wrong must be opposed by wrong, murder by murder, injury by injury, evil by evil. Thus taught Noah, Moses, and the Prophets. But Christ rejects all this. "I say unto you," is written in the Gospel, "resist not evil," do not oppose injury with injury, but rather bear repeated injury from the evil doer. What was permitted is forbidden. When we understand what kind of resistance they taught, we know exactly what resistance Christ forbade.
8.      Q. Then the ancients allowed the resistance of injury by injury?
A. Yes. But Jesus forbids it. The Christian has in no case the right to put to death his neighbor who has done him evil, or to do him injury in return.
9.      Q. May he kill or maim him in self-defense?
A. No.
10.  Q. May he go with a complaint to the judge that he who has wronged him may be punished?
A.No. What he does through others, he is in reality doing himself.
11.  Q. Can he fight in conflict with foreign enemies or disturbers of the peace?       
A. Certainly not. He cannot take any part in war or in preparations for war. He cannot make use of a deadly weapon. He cannot oppose injury to injury, whether he is alone or with others, either in person or through other people.
12.  Q. Can he voluntarily vote or furnish soldiers for the government?
A. He can do nothing of that kind if he wishes to be faithful
to Christ's law.
13.  Q. Can he voluntarily give money to aid a government resting on military force, capital punishment, and violence in general?
A. No, unless the money is destined for some special object, right in itself, and good both in aim and means.
14.  Q. Can he pay taxes to such a government?
A. No
; he ought not voluntarily to pay taxes, but he ought not to resist the collecting of taxes. A tax is levied by the government, and is exacted independently of the will of the subject. It is impossible to resist it without having recourse to violence of some kind. Since the Christian cannot employ violence, he is obliged to offer his property at once to the loss by violence inflicted on it by the authorities.
15.  Q. Can a Christian give a vote at elections, or take part in government or law business?
A.No
; participation in election, government, or law business is participation in government by force.
16.  Q. Wherein lies the chief significance of the doctrine of non-resistance?
A.In the fact that it alone allows of the possibility of eradicating evil from one's own heart, and also from one's neighbor's. This doctrine forbids doing that whereby evil has endured for ages and multiplied in the world. He who attacks another and injures him, kindles in the other a feeling of hatred, the root of every evil. To injure another because he has injured us, even with the aim of overcoming evil, is doubling the harm for him and for oneself; it is begetting, or at least setting free and inciting, that evil spirit which we should wish to drive out. Satan can never be driven out by Satan. Error can never be corrected by error, and evil cannot be vanquished by evil.
A.True non-resistance is the only real resistance to evil. It is crushing the serpent's head. It destroys and in the end extirpates the evil feeling.
17.  Q. But if that is the true meaning of the rule of non- resistance, can it always put into practice?
A.It can be put into practice like every virtue enjoined by the law of God. A virtue cannot be practiced in all circumstances without self-sacrifice, privation, suffering, and in extreme cases loss of life itself. But he who esteems life more than fulfilling the will of God is already dead to the only true life. Trying to save his life he loses it. Besides, generally speaking, where non-resistance costs the sacrifice of a single life or of some material welfare, resistance costs a thousand such sacrifices. Non-resistance is Salvation; Resistance is Ruin. It is incomparably less dangerous to act justly than unjustly, to submit to injuries than to resist them with violence, less dangerous even in one's relations to the present life. If all men refused to resist evil by evil our world would be happy.
18.  Q. But so long as only a few act thus, what will happen to them?
A.If only one man acted thus, and all the rest agreed to crucify him, would it not be nobler for him to die in the glory of non-resisting love, praying for his enemies, than to live to wear the crown of Caesar stained with the blood of the slain? However, one man, or a thousand men, firmly resolved not to oppose evil by evil are far more free from danger by violence than those who resort to violence, whether among civilized or savage neighbors. The robber, the murderer, and the cheat will leave them in peace, sooner than those who oppose them with arms, and those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword, but those who seek after peace, and behave kindly and harmlessly, forgiving and forgetting injuries, for the most part enjoy peace, or, if they die, they die blessed. In this way, if all kept the ordinance of non-resistance, there would obviously be no evil nor crime. If the majority acted thus they would establish the rule of love and good will even over evil doers, never opposing evil with evil, and never resorting to force. If there were a moderately large minority of such men, they would exercise such a salutary moral influence on society that every cruel punishment would be abolished, and violence and feud would be replaced by peace and love. Even if there were only a small minority of them, they would rarely experience anything worse than the world's contempt, and meantime the world, though unconscious of it, and not grateful for it, would be continually becoming wiser and better for their unseen action on it. And if in the worst case some members of the minority were persecuted to death, in dying for the truth they would have left behind them their doctrine, sanctified by the blood of their martyrdom. Peace, then, to all who seek peace, and may overruling love be the imperishable heritage of every soul who obeys willingly Christ's word, "Resist not evil."
Adin Ballou


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: hard chapter
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:24:48 -0400
Hi Guys in Men's Thursday Noon Bible Study Group

We mentioned today the paper I did on Matthew 5:35-44 and a couple of you asked for a copy.

In this scripture, Jesus directs us not to resist an evil person plus other difficult directives. This is a hard chapter for me.  It is one of the reasons I feel uncomfortable saying I am a Christian, though I am trying to be a "good" man which involves doing what Jesus said. My claiming to be a Christian  makes me feel like I am saying I am doing what Jesus taught and that is not the case so often, as this scripture proves.

Below is a link to the work I did. The first page is
Matthew 5:35-44 shown in five different versions of the Bible. I do not see any  version which gives us an out from doing what it says.

Following the Scripture page is an outline I meant to follow in June when I shared the paper with the group. Remember in June we did not have a leader and each of us brought subjects to discuss. The outline of my notes for speaking are pages  2 and 3. Pages 4, 5, 6, and 7 are an expansion of the outline.

Several comments:

  1. Back in May I saw a movie about Tolstoy's life and started reading some of his works.
  2. In searching his books, I found the following book he had written: The Kingdom of God is Within You or Christianity Not as a Mystical Teaching but as a New Concept of Life.
  3. Basically the whole book is about Matthew 5:35-44 and how he felt we should  apply it.
  4. He mentions several other authors and leaders opposed to violence including William Lloyd Garrison "champion of the emancipation of the Negroes" and supporter of "non-resistance." Abraham Lincoln was well aware of Garrison, as I learned from reading Team of Rivals
  5. Another such leader was Adin Ballou who spent 50 years preaching this doctrine.
  6. I include some of what Tolstoy says about these two men in his book.
  7. Tolstoy "introduced such important 20th century figures as Gandhi and Marten Luther King to the concept of nonviolent resistance," according to the book cover.
As I said I had this available as a subject to discuss in June, but I lost my nerve. I know it is controversial and I was not ready to defend either side. So I let the opportunity pass. If you get something out of the work I did , I am glad. If not, that is ok too.  I am still reading the book.

A copy of my paper is at our

Men's Thursday Noon Bible Study Blog

and is the second entry and is dated 7/30/2010 and begins "The Kingdom of God  . . . "
http://noonbiblestudy.blogspot.com/

don
7/30/2010 6:30 p.m.